techtypes wrote:"one more thing" piles up and people can only one more thing so much before it becomes a bridge too far. what you forget is a simple thing called the human condition, i know a few people who still use the buttons to do whisper and subtle rather then micro, heck i am one of the people that do that and been playing ss13 for over five years as my memory sucks but i still manage.
If you are really that worried about log bots and blackmail i got the better answer for you and most might not like it.... whitelist only. make the staff have to check each person before they can join, or alternatively tell every single ghosts sorry you are dead you get to see nothing, no me/say/subtle/whisper and cant even see Loocs that might be meant for you because could really just be a bot. extreme examples... yes but ones that hold a logical connection to why you are saying we really need this one thing.
Again i want to be clear I do not care about ghosts seeing things as much as trying to call this a "security" function when again no it is not, if it was it would be yelling at you every five minutes about it being off for your own safety or force toggle it's self on every log out. fact is like i said the ways to keep your info safe is already there and far more effective, call it was it is a preference function.
For some reason I didn't see this post before I actually made my most recent one, so.. doubleposting. And addressing these in order.
1) "One more thing before it piles up", etc.. It's called the Slippery Slope fallacy. You're looking at this as if it's going to cause a sudden shift down a steep hill and all of as sudden we're going to be adding countless features for extra security and extra steps and extra toggles, when that's simply not the case. This is about adding a single feature, and we can always simply discuss the next feature when it's added. It's all decided case-by-case. Nothing's steamrolling out of control here. I'm not sure how your mention of personal habits has anything to do with remembering to click a toggle one time and one time only.
2) So, a long time ago, this server used to be whitelist-only. This was when the server was much smaller than it is now, and back then it was actually possible to have a whitelist for the general server. When it comes to attempting to implement a whitelist currently, keep a few things in mind.
--A) Right now, at this time of writing, there are nearly 600 online users in the discord. 600. And that's just who's
online right now. This says nothing of the folks who happen to be offline at this moment, and the stream of new players. How are the admins going to handle whitelisting all of these people?
--B) What kind of whitelist? What's going to be required? A photo ID? Just the BYOND Ckey? A discord username? An email? Not to sound rude, but I sure as hell don't trust everybody in Staff with my ID info. And any of the non-ID options are easily made and effectively pointless.
It's just not feasible with a community this size. If this was implemented, we'd likely see a sharp decline in playerbase, both from new players not wanting to give random folks that they've never met that run a
fetish server their picture, and from current players who likewise definitely don't want to do that.
As for going harder on restricting what Ghosts can/cannot see, the reason that isn't being suggested is because there's such a thing as 'overkill', and this allows for a means of achievable privacy without hindering the gameplay of ghosted players. If they couldn't see anything at all, then that ruins the whole point of spectating.
3) Just because it doesn't include blaring alarms and pop-ups and actual physical locks and chains and a retina scanner and a dna-sequencer and a voice analyzer and a twenty-three digit password including at least one uppercase letter, a number, a random character, complete with a two-factor authenticator and the name of your favorite pet, doesn't mean it's not a security measure. You can have a door with a simple bolt lock, and a locked door covered in laser-beams guarded by a moat of crocodiles wearing sharks wearing more lasers and the entirety of the SAS on-guard to exterminate anyone they deem guilty of the thought-crime of 'wanting to unlock a door' in the immediate vicinity. They're both still
locked doors. You don't have to go absolute-overkill.