James Holder wrote:Quoting something I said, concocting an argument that's easy for you to argue against, and claiming that it is my argument is a strawman, and I flat out told you that wasn't my proposal in my response to it. You framed it as if I'm trying to give SARs special treatment or something, as if I suggested just letting random people not have to worry about reusing syringes. I proposed something to lighten up their loadout and the litter because they can't just grab more needles from a vendor and toss the used ones into the disposal like any other med player.
What if they had a pouch that holds a box's worth of syringes instead so they don't get to "ignore" the change? Would that work better?
Your core point supporting the change was "I like it because realism." A point that I'd already previously attacked, and so have several other people in this thread. I'm not becoming an echo. I'm not concocting an argument, that was a standalone statement that you made, entirely unaltered. I do not know why you're taking issue with me, literally taking a quote from your argument, entirely
in context. You're essentially just screaming "STRAWMAN, STRAWMAN, GAZER'S BAD AT ARGUING GUYS."
You literally said, "Hey, if we do keep change, let's give xxx group [thing to bypass change], because [logical result of change] really really sucks for them."
I'm not misinterpreting you here, there is no misunderstanding of intent, that is giving a specific group of people (SARS) tools that aren't affected, or alleviate damage to play caused by the syringe change (Hyposprays, syringe bags), in order to avoid consequences of the change (Running out of syringes incessantly, as well as horrible inventory problems) am I wrong? I'm arguing that the fact that we keep proposing to work around this change that does nothing for us is stupid.
The very fact that we have to sit there and propose a million and one different new systems and items, to tiptoe around a
FLAVOR BASED CHANGE is so unbelievably stupid. This change was never something that should've affected gameplay, at all, in any meaningful way. Given the fact that we have so many arguments here that consist of, "Well, if we keep this, let's change the syringes in this way." or, "Well, if we keep this, let's do this to keep these people from ripping their hair out." It's very clearly affecting gameplay in a meaningful way. A very negative meaningful way. Whatever RP flavor this change added isn't worth the time and effort we keep having to pour into it. It's not interesting, and it's not fun to work around. It's support comes from "Injecting people multiple times with the same needle on a massive spaceship full of advanced, self cleaning technology is stupid." WHY IS THIS STILL AN ARGUMENT.